Compounds of formulain free or salt or solvate form, whereAr is a group of formulaY is carbon or nitrogen and R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10, X, n, p, q and r are as defined in the specification, their preparation and their use as pharmaceuticals, particularly for the treatment of obstructive or inflammatory airways diseases. The non TM user functions are treated as TM functions and added to the TM list. The counting unit counts contact portions between the circumscribed figure extracted by the extraction unit and the pixel block. A time parameter associated with the opening of the file is recorded. , R4 represents hydrogen atom or an alkyl group, etc. The movable wall segment either blocks or gives way to an area between the entrance and the exit.